My Stock Investing Journey: Introduction

Note: Please welcome my friend Sumant who wrote this post after much prodding. He’ll add a lot of value to readers and he has promised to share what he has learnt from his investments. This post is about the initial journey. And as he says, he was not dumb but just a part of the majority, I’m sure a lot of you would relate.


I was introduced to stock investing way back in 1994 or around. That seems ages back. It was, indeed, a different age. A world without an internet & a demat account indeed seems Stone Age.

Reading a book on Stock Investing was an easy part, as was memorising the Ratios for Stock Analysis. The difficult part was to get the data for Analysis. For an individual investor it was well neigh impossible.

I did exactly what most new investors do (Even today!). Follow the advice of the most approachable advisor. In any case I was neither equipped to judge the quality of the advisor, nor the quality of advice. And, promptly I bought a list of shares without knowing why I had bought them. All I knew was that there was money to be made at the Stock Exchange. Why I needed more money never crossed my mind & I did not know I should ask that question to myself. The concept of Personal Financial Goals was still more than a decade away from me. Those were rather carefree days of my early career, as it is for an overwhelming majority.

Come to think of it, the timing was not bad. Harshad bhai had come & gone & the market was still in consolidation phase. But I knew nothing about where I was putting my money & why. Add to that, the pain of  safe keeping of the share documents. And there was this vague fear of keeping account of the income from the shares. After all I will have to account for it in my Income Tax Statement. I could not understand the basic Income Tax Form to be submitted with the Form 16 (given by the Employer). This income from shares would complicate the things. I was scared. Please do no laugh. I actually had a vague fear of managing all that mumbo-jumbo. I was a very law abiding citizen & I was expecting to make big money at the Stock Exchange!

The problems did not end there. It was tough to keep track of the Share prices. Forget about Ratio Analysis & all that. That was only meant for serious Analysts, who would get published in the Dalal street, Financial Express, etc.

It did not take very long to get totally frustrated. As luck would have it, the shares I had bought were not doing well. If I had been lucky, my story might entirely be different. It is easy to see how important a part Providence plays in our life!!

I gave up. I just folded all the Share Certificates & locked them in safe-keeping (!). They were to remain there for almost a decade & more!!

Things may have been different if:

  1. I had made money in my first few transactions. But, again that would have been purely a matter of luck.
  2. I had read enough about Indirect & Direct Investing and chosen the Indirect Route to Investing & put in a small amount through the Direct Route to learn the tricks. That would probably have given me enough time in the market to learn the tricks & also given my shares enough time in the market to perform (& give a realistic return). It is difficult to accept & understand a realistic rate of return in Stock Market. One has to accept that the Stock Market, after all, is not a currency minting machine.
  3. I had a Financial Goal. Even as simple a goal as having a flat of my own in Mumbai (then, Bombay). That would have probably given me a sound reason to make more money & a target. (Believe me. Till then I only knew that surplus money was something you just kept in the bank!! Please do not conclude that I was dumb. I have a feeling, like always, I was a part of a majority.) I would possibly have been more realistic in my expectations. Would probably have been more patient.
  4. I were experimenting in 2005/06 & not 1993/94. I may possibly have read the blogs of many a stock investor & absorbed some wisdom. That is again providence & far fetched.

Anyway, I was off Stock Market & none too wiser. But, of course, I had all the reasons. My favourite argument was:

“While one person is selling the shares & feeling smart, the other buys & feels he is smarter. Both of them cannot be correct. I think the person who is better informed will be smarter. I reasoned that I will always be the loser because of my limited knowledge compared to those who are in the trade full time.”

Nothing wrong in the logic. Except that it got me nowhere. With logic you can justify any thing in the world. It is often just a cover for your lack of knowledge & wisdom or plain hard work & application.

Now I can say that, indeed in the long run the money in the Stock Exchange can come only from the Value created in the factories & offices. So almost everybody should be a winner if you are buying/selling scrips that create value, seen from a long term. In the short term, however, there are a host of factors that drive up or down a scrip. Most important of all, I think, is market sentiment.

The most important principle, therefore, is to be able to identify businesses that would perform well & stay invested till you think that the business will continue to do so. Of course, the valuations are important. But if you are a long term investor (You should be, if Stock Investing is not your primary source of income!) current valuation of a scrip is much less important than the quality of the business & its future prospects. And, there are simple mechanisms whereby you may even out the valuation of purchase. By investing through SIP, for example.

Let me get back to explaining my favourite argument against stock investing:

“If one person is buying and the other is selling, both may be winners. The first may be in need of cash, or he may just have made his targeted profit. The other may be buying it for the long term or he may still be seeing value in the stock. Indeed, ‘Time’ is a major factor in stock investing.”

Needless to say, today I am a firm believer in the power of Stock Investing. It is a sure way of making your savings work for you. It is a tool to achieve your Financial Goals. It is a tool whereby you can participate in the great Indian success story that is unfolding.

Sumant Kant Sahai

PS: Checkout my next post on this blog to find out how I re-discovered the Stock Market.

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Now, Stocks and even the Sensex can have a MRP tag

All of us are used to shopping for stuff by looking at the MRP tag. This helps us to identify whether we are getting a good deal or being ripped off. But can we do the same when we buy stocks? Buying or selling stocks at the wrong price can often lead to huge losses. So, how can we ensure that investing is more profitable and not a game of chance for us, retail investors? Is there a way to determine the actual worth of a stock – its MRP?

This is exactly what the guys at MoneyWorks4me have done. They have labeled not only all the stocks but also the benchmark Sensex with an MRP tag. This MRP is driven primarily by the earnings power of a company and hence gives you an indication of the fundamental worth of a stock. Thus, it gives investors the confidence to take sensible buy and sell decisions based on the actual worth of the stock and not just market sentiments. Outlook Profit magazine has published an article on this concept titled ‘The Right Price’. The article also gives you a few stocks that you should be buying or selling at this time. Here is a copy of the article.

Also, MoneyWorks4me.com have written a few blog posts on this concept on their blog Stock Shastra. You can read them here.

Expert Equity Analysts Rarely Get It Right

McKinsey research shows that equity analysts have been overoptimistic for the past quarter century.

On average, their earnings-growth estimates—ranging from 10 to 12 percent annually, compared with actual growth of 6 percent—were almost 100 percent too high.

Only in years of strong growth, such as 2003 to 2006, when actual earnings caught up with earlier predictions, do these forecasts hit the mark.

You can read the entire Mckinsey report here. You need to register.

And here’s another study that I wrote about sometime back:

Further, DALBAR’s update of its Quantitative Analysis of Investor Behavior (QAIB) study found that for the 20-year period, equity fund investors averaged 3.17% compared to 8.20% for buy-and-hold stock investors (S&P 500)

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Doing Your Homework Before Investing In Stocks

I wrote the following article for FlyLite magazine, which is the in-flight magazine of JetLite. The post takes it’s motivation from Deepak Shenoy’s post on shares, IPOs and stock markets. The proceeds from Flylite would go to a non religous charity as soon as I get it.


Investing in stocks is very rewarding but comes with a caveat. It is not for the faint hearted and you need to have a disciplined and informed approach to stock investing.

A friend was boasting about his Stock picks and how he has discovered a whole lot of money making stocks. To be fair to him, he had a good sense of stocks which were selling below their value in the crashes. And he helped himself with those stocks “On Sale”. But (being a friend), he also admitted that some of his stocks happened to be the “falling knife”. (Falling knife stocks look like undervalued stocks, but continue to go downhill)

The point I want to make is not to laugh at my friend but realize that becoming a self proclaimed stock guru can be easy but dangerous! And we need to beware of a lot of “noise” in the media giving out “hot tips” and “get rich quick” schemes.

That’s why learning all about shares is a good idea before you begin.

Let us take a journey around shares and understand the jargons like Earning per share (EPS), Price Earning Ratio (P/E) as we go along.

Let’s say you start a company named “ChangeTheWorld Pvt. Ltd.”. You and a friend invest Rs 500000/- each to start the company. What you can do is to issue 50000 shares to your friend and yourself and it will have a face value of Rs 10/-. Totally the company has “issued” 100,000 shares of face value of Rs. 10.

Now the company grows. You earn Rs. 1 crore in profits because of a great marketing strategy. The total number of shares remains the same at 100,000. So what is your share of face value of Rs 10/- worth now?

Common sense tells me that the profits divided by the number of shares will give me the answer. This is commonly known as Earning Per Share. For your company it will be Rs 100/-

The exact price of your share is a matter of “valuation”. Typically this is a function of how well you can grow your company in the future, a factor called the P/E ratio which is a multiple of your net profits.

The P/E Ratio that is considered to value your company takes into account the P/E Ratio of your competitors. The average P/E of the industry indicates the growth prospects in the future for that industry.
So let us say that you expect a Price to Earnings ratio (P/E) of 15 on last twelve month earnings, a conservative value that you believe we can get. You can value the company at Rs. 15 crores (1 cr. profit x 15 P/E ratio).

Then suddenly you decide that you need to expand, and need 15 crores more money to allow us to expand faster. We can do two things – go to a bank to borrow or ask for other people to invest in the business. We decide to do the latter.

But who will have 15 crores? We can choose to find a big rich individual or company, or choose to “go public” meaning we ask a LOT of small shareholders to invest whatever they want to, and in return we will issue them shares of the company. Let’s again go with the latter option.

Now you have grown the company and you have built assets for the company, so the value of the company is much higher than the face value of Rs 10/- per share. Obviously I would like to invest in your business and pay much more for the shares. How much should I pay for a share? Read on.

Right now 100,000 shares are valued at Rs. 15 crore as we saw by taking a P/E of 15. That’s a value of Rs. 1500 per share.

Now as the company grows, the profits are accumulated in the reserves in your balance sheet. And your company has 2 cr. reserves but only 10 lakhs as capital. So you can issue more shares as “bonus shares”, reducing the reserves and increasing the capital. This increases the total number of current shares from 100,000 to 1 crore shares, again at a “face value” of Rs. 10. So now you are owners of 50 lakh shares each. And each share is worth Rs. 15 (15 crore total value divided by one crore shares)

To get Rs. 15 crores, we have to issue 1 crore more shares (at a price of Rs. 15). For this you go for an IPO, which will ask for money from anyone who wants to own a share of our business. Post IPO, you will have a total of 2.0 crore shares (1 crore earlier and 1 crore freshly issued shares) and you will be listed in a stock market for anyone to buy and sell your shares. The shares list at Rs. 15, but because the company is expected to grow even more, the price goes up to Rs. 20 per share.

Let’s say another person wants to buy a share of this business but the company has got all the money it needs from the IPO. So there will no further shares issued, but anyone can buy shares from the stock exchange. He will buy shares at Rs. 20. So he will own a share of the company, but he’s willing to pay more than the IPO price because he thinks the company will do well.

The person who sold the share got it in the IPO – at Rs. 15. Now he makes a profit of Rs. 5. Later the other person who bought at Rs 20/- can sell it to someone else at even higher values like 25 etc. The company doesn’t really get affected because it isn’t seeing the money, but the share price goes up as the company starts doing better, and as more people begin to want the shares.

Why does the share price go up? The answer is: Perceived value. I may think the company is worth 15 crore, but someone else might think it’s worth 20 crores. When my shares reach my valuation I sell, but someone else will think it’s a good deal and buy.

To organize such buying and selling, there are commercial “stock exchanges”. BSE and NSE are some of them, though there are a number of other, smaller exchanges in India. An exchange provides a common place for people to buy or sell shares, with sales happening on an auction basis – buyers bid for shares at a price they are willing to pay, and sellers “ask” for a price from buyers. Exchanges match these prices and share exchanges happen along with payments. “Brokers” facilitate these exchanges, and you pay them a fee as brokerage, part of which goes to the stock exchange as well.


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We Have Met The Enemy, And He Is Me!

When it comes to investing in stocks, most of us get excited when the market is going up. And thanks to our Greed, we buy when the market is near the peak.

And the moment the markets are down, thanks to our Fears, we panic and sell when the markets plummet. In fact we sell, when the markets are about to rebound!

And then we blame the stock markets and say it is infested with Sharks. We don’t realize that it’s our own Greed and Fear that drive us to our own doom.

Have you realized that it’s impossible to make profit when you buy high and sell low. Wouldn’t it be good if we are aware of our own Greed and Fears.

And being conscious of these primitive emotions will show you the way of being better, informed and disciplined investors.

One way is to be passive investors in ETF/Index Funds till you find your bearings as an investor. And it helps to know about a study that says that the average actively managed mutual fund investor underperformed the index by 3.4% per year for the 19 years studied.(From BogleHeads’ Guide To Investing).

Further, DALBAR’s update of its Quantitative Analysis of Investor Behavior (QAIB) study found that for the 20-year period, equity fund investors averaged 3.17% compared to 8.20% for buy-and-hold stock investors (S&P 500)

Are you prepared to be conscious of your greed and fear?

Front Running, Misleading Investors Is Part Of The Game?

SEBI has found Nilesh Kapadia, AVP-Equities at HDFC Mutual Fund guilty of front-running trades that the fund was going to take and has given directions to HDFC MF on the issue:

The investigation revealed that Mr. Nilesh Kapadia, Assistant Vice President–Equities of HDFC AMC was tipping off and advising Mr. Rajiv Ramniklal Sanghvi to trade ahead of the orders of HDFC AMC and had helped him to make substantial gains in the process.

In another order today, the SEBI confirmed it’s directions against Mr. PS Saminathan vide it’s interim order in the matter of Pyramid Saimira Theatre Limited (PSTL). The interim order had restrained Mr Saminathan from buying, selling and dealing in the securities market including any IPO. Mr Saminathan was alleged to have made misleading announcements to create public interest in PSTL.

SEBI brings light to such shady deals and happening in the deep waters of the stock market. You are on your own in these waters infested with Sharks.

Scary, but if you are disciplined and conscious about your security, it isn’t too hard to get a rich haul of fishes for your own consumption!

How do you react to such stories?

What Is Your Style Of Stock Investing?

Stock Shastra is an initiative by MoneyWorks4Me and is about the principles of stock investing. The asked me about my style of stock investing and have posted it here

The carnival has very interesting contributions from fellow bloggers and is an delightful compliation of stock investing styles.

Do hop over to the site. Excerpts of my post on the thought process behind the style:

Experts add to the confusion: If you look up to TV, Newspapers for tips, let me pray for you. There are so many conflicting views (and all of them appear confident and right), that I do get confused. Now I look for information, not views/tips from the Newspapers/TV.

Timing the market is impossible: Nobody actually knows whether the market is going up or down. And When! I have made countless attempts at predicting the market and hoping to time my investments. I have failed more often than not.

Mutual Funds are more costly than ETFs: Having discovered the abilities of stock experts, I also discovered that we pay a lot of fee for their fund management abilities. I have also learnt that majority of the fund managers underperform the market indices. And they get paid from our pockets for underperforming the markets!

Riding the momentum wave is not for long term: We have everyday reports of top gainers and losers. And there’s a whole lot of day traders riding the wave and appearing to make good money every day. But along the way, we have also seen suicides when the markets crash. To me, it is a zero sum game where you win some and lose some. Eventually balance it out.

Discipline/Emotion Control is important: It is easy to get waylaid by emotions of greed and fear. So it is important to understand this risk and continue with your investing, come what may. You also need to figure out your own risk appetite and not just ape anybody else.

What’s your style of stock investing? Do share.